Trolls & Bullies

2020

I’ve been playing with sand on a small scale and so far the results are great. I have a few things on a drip system, a wicking pot and and a duel root zone setup. There are draw backs like any other system but I see real potential. I run DWC for the most part and this is going to be my solution to growing tubers -https://www.reddit.com/r/aquaponics/comments/h8egkd/comment/fuua1c6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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June 16, 2020

I’ve seen a few vids on yt but nothing detailed or dedicated but I’ll post a few that might be helpful.

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Feb 18, 2024

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Feb 21, 2024

Our Moderator says:

I have decided to remove my comments from the conversation as I prefer to focus on more productive and positive interactions on social media.

I hold the view that entering into disputes that argue against professionals who have achieved global recognition for their expertise is not conducive to a meaningful dialogue.
These individuals, many of whom have been honored as ‘fellows’ in their respective fields—a distinction that signifies a high level of achievement and is only surpassed by the honor of a Nobel Prize—deserve our respect and consideration.
To argue against their well-established findings without a substantial basis can come across as discourteous and lacking in deference.
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Reply from cologetmomo:

I’m just going on the only information available.

You ever heard of the Appeal to Authority Fallacy? You’re citing people with credentials to prove a point, but are providing no supporting evidence to the claims.

You keep crying that I’m trolling or baiting you, but I promise you I am not.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that’s all I’ve ever asked for. You are simply unable to provide arguments disproving my criticisms, so you resort to name-calling, aggression, and in the case of u/HistorianAlert9986, threats of violence. The only thing I can conclude is this is a bad business venture to sell a $15 book.

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Feb 21

 

I’ve had a few people message me saying the sandponic peoples’ aggression has reduced how much they participate and thanked me for standing up to them. They run a subreddit pushing bad science to sell a book and just go around reddit arguing with people about the definition, how they all aren’t banned is a mystery to me.

Though only an admin could prove it, they even made an account impersonating Johnny Seeds to harass me. An account that had already been shadow banned on reddit.

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February 21st, 2024

 

I spent years going to school in a major concentrating on chemistry, water treatment, and microbial kinetics. Apparently none of that applies to iAVS. Basic aspects of the operation have no supporting evidence. No supplementation? BS. All solids pumped into the sandbeds with no buildup? BS. Just the thought of running a commercial farm where every seedling has to be manually planted into sand furrows is outrageous….You claim it’s not aquaponics or hydroponics, and that it’s horticulture. But horticulture is defined as the art and practice of growing plants, which encompasses everything. You use fish to provide nutrients to grow plants, that’s aquaponics. Period… But you are part of a pattern of people that emerge to find small avenues to carve out a profit. Selling incredible promises while holding the keys to the gate. It’s not original and it hurts people that want to genuinely join this community of growing pants with aquatic animals. You have to differentiate and divorce yourselves from aquaponics and hydroponics because otherwise you’d have nothing to sell. Your head person, u/djdefenda has stated over and over again that only iAVS is backed by studies and the UVI model was flawed from the beginning and never reproduced. I’ve seen those comments and they’re a combination of complete fabrication and projection.

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Feb 21

I have decided to remove my comments from the conversation as I prefer to focus on more productive and positive interactions on social media. I believe that engaging in arguments with professionals who are esteemed and well-regarded globally can be seen as impolite and disrespectful. It is my belief that such exchanges only highlight a lack of knowledge and wisdom.

If you wish to refer back to my previous comments, you are welcome to do so by clicking the edit button. I have no intention of concealing anything, but I believe it is best to move forward from this situation in a more mature and respectful manner.

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Feb 21

Yet here you are.

I’m going to troll sandponics educators

Again, being critical of outrageous claims is not trolling. I’ve told you before, donate that money I won from you and give me a sincere apology for being such a dick, and r/iAVS is yours.

E: Remember, Audubon Society gets the check.

That’s ozone – there’s no way on earth you could go above 18 mg/l with oxygen, I’ll give $500 to any charity you choose if you can get more than 20 – don’t mean to be dismissive/argumentative either sorry, i got this other lame ass troll with a “masters degree” hassling me every where I go……my teachers keep telling me to avoid social media!

https://archive.is/SHiPr

That’s 33.3 copies of your book. Hope the sales are going well!

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Feb 22, 2024

This is nothing new. the iAvs guys have been making patently false claims for many years now including myths like it never needs supplemental nutrients or that it doesn’t go anaerobic when even media beds do if overfed. Theres a reason why this is not used in food production in any first world nation it doesnt yield as expected and is not food safe.

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Feb 22

they really do need to just ban sandponic posts at this point it has its own sub let them have there fun there.

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Feb 22

I just want to share my experiences and what I’ve learned along the way. That becomes frustrating when I read threads of someone stating my entire hobby is obsolete and my experiences and knowledge are worth nothing in the face of sandponics (iAVS). Your head mod once said the UVI model was flawed and never replicated. But I have an example to the contrary in my backyard.

r/Sandponics could be a great community. But it’s poisoned by constantly having to make the distinction between iAVS and aquaponics. Which is why threads are mostly empty and constant arguments erupt. Just grow some plants in sand with fish as the nutrient source, accept the definition, and we can coalesce together and everybody will be better for it.

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Feb 22

I don’t have all the answers, but I know how to find good information and what a good resource looks like. Couple that with open-mindedness and a desire to learn new things, and your world gets bigger.

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Feb 22

Moderator

It is moderated. It has always been lightly moderated in the spirit of discussion of different methods. If you see something not in the spirit of advancing this field, I’d love for you to report it. Us mods do have day jobs and cannot read every post and comment to make sure it fits the spirit of the sub.

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Feb 22

[Sandponics] No need to ever adjust the pH or add additional nutrients in a well-stocked tank.

Just don’t post this again

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Feb 22

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Anyone that brings scholarly discussion is welcome. Telling others that disagree or have other opinions they’re outright wrong is not scholarly; personal insults or trying to bully and rally with other fans of sandponics in attempts to drown out and discussion counter to sandponics is not allowed.

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Feb 22

 

This is nothing new. the iAvs guys have been making patently false claims for many years now including myths like it never needs supplemental nutrients or that it doesn’t go anaerobic when even media beds do if overfed. Theres a reason why this is not used in food production in any first world nation it doesnt yield as expected and is not food safe.

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Feb 22

All were experiments conducted 30 years ago and none are as comprehensive and on the same scale as the Rakocy UVI system. Water losses of up 4.7% and 7% per day were reported, all experiments were relatively small-scale, and every one I’ve read included bacterial wilt, blossom drop, or some other malady affecting crops during the limited duration of the experiment. Nutrient levels, when not at deficiency levels, were deemed below standard soil mixes, he even recommends foliar or direct fertilizer supplements. In one of the later papers, they analyze the sand for nutrient levels and express the results as milliequivalents per 100 cubic centimeters, sources I can find express nutrients in soils as meq/100 g of soil, so I guess I’d need the average density of sand and maybe I could get a usable number from the paper?

I don’t know, maybe something published this century could do a better job.

But again, we’re here in this thread because by all accounts, there exists no USDA backing to iAVS.

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Feb 22

I have decided to remove my comments from the conversation as I prefer to focus on more productive and positive interactions on social media.

You are insufferable with the edits, deletions, and complete lack of understanding how discussion and debate evolve.

I hold the view that entering into disputes that argue against professionals who have achieved global recognition for their expertise is not conducive to a meaningful dialogue.

Appeal to Authority Fallacy. You’re citing people with credentials to prove a point, but are providing no supporting evidence to the claims.

Just leave your comments up or just stop commenting at all.

Engaging in this manner does not reflect well on one’s knowledge or wisdom and can detract from the overall quality of discourse.

I agree. It really serves to highlight which side lacks evidence and credentials. I had a nice conversation with u/HistorianAlert9986 in this thread. I suppose I better save this before you delete it. ffs

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Feb 22

No need to ever adjust the pH or add additional nutrients in a well-stocked tank. There’s no need to change and clean the media bed on a regular basis like you have to do with gravel or lava rock.

There you go again.

Nitrification acidifies the water. Fish feed doesn’t contain all the nutrients required for plant growth. But come on? Even iron? Literally cannot be available to plants in an aerobic solution. Media bed cleaning I can agree with to a point. You pump waste straight to a sand bed it’s going to going to get filthy.

On small systems, yes, you can get away with no supplementation, to a point.

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Feb 23

 

It costs like $25 to file a FOIA request yet you admit you couldn’t be bothered to do even that small investment to write a book. No response to this post which puts into question the validity of stating the sandponics system is backed by the USDA, as there is no evidence.

So you’ve written a book and presented evidence without having done due diligence. Then attempt to profit off that book. I call that fraud.

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Feb 23

Could you kindly explain where nutrients not found in fish food/waste or those that would other wise be oxidized come from in your proposed setup. Nutrients in closed systems are zero sum. You only have the minerals from fish food/waste as the input. Therefore molybdenum, calcium, and potassium will be consumed by the plants as seen in UVI’s documentation. Manganese and iron must be in a chelated form for plants to use such as DTPA due to the high ammount of oxygen in aquaponics for fish health. Boron, copper, magnesium and zinc are consumed by the plants and are also depleted over time and not found in high enough amounts in fish food. So how could they be fully nutrient rich and non deficient if these issues are not addressed? Fish poop was not created and mineral balanced for terrestrial plants. So could you kindly explain the chemistry in your model as i simply don’t see this as somthing thats chemically possible.

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The reply from Steve:

Increasing the feed rate does not address the issues i mentioned. It does not address oxidized minerals or where your micronutrients are coming from. Again the nutrient input is fish food which does not have all of the required nutrients. I wish it did, but that’s simply not the case. I read your links it took awhile but none of it addresses the questions i asked. Wheres your chelated iron and manganese coming from? What is your current iron level in your system maybe thats something you can answer that will address my question in a constructive way?

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That doesn’t address the chemistry issues that i asked. Maybe you can answer then what is your iron levels well start with something simply. You posted that you have a sand system i bet you can answer that its a common test all serious aquaponics people have.

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reply from bulky-union-2762 on Feb 24:

How can you claim its balanced if you don’t have the data to ensure that its balanced. This is why aquaponics farms test there nutrients. Simply claiming it works does not prove that it works. If you dont quantify your data you can’t claim that its balanced.

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The reply from our mod:

He purposefully ignored every single thing in my links that directly addressed his concerns so he is only here to argue. It’s just endless circular arguments like being in primary school arguing with the grade 5 kid Steve.

In more productive news, I have notes from 65 (so far) research papers that you will find very interesting u/HistorianAlert9986 I’ll send you the link in a message.

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reply from bulky-union-2762 on Feb 24;

You can’t claim its balanced if you don’t test your system. As an example. Molybdenum is consumed at a high rate in aquaponics for thr plants nitrate conversation back to a useable form of nitrogen. That’s not in the sand or fish food. It gets depleted fairly quickly in aquaponics. Aquaponics in zero sum the system only has what you put in it. It won’t materialize on its own. Hence the need to test your levels. Same for iron and others. Potassium is another example of it was in fish food at plant appropriate levels it would kill the fish. It is also rapidly depleted in aquaponics. Where is your additional nutrients coming from? You can’t know if you arent testing simply saying it works doesn’t prove anything. If your not testing even basic levels then your not proving anything.

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Feb 24

Would be nice to meet a sandponics user sometime whos capable of answering basic questions about there system. One day ill find one.

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That is a cop out and you know it Steve, you refuse to read the research and then just come back in circular arguments and/or move the goal posts, the discussions just devolve into nothing…..it’s the same thing you did over multiple accounts for over 7 years.

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Feb 24

I haven’t logged on in a while… I’ve been using sandponics to grow everything from radishes to tomatoes for about 5 years now so I have a bit of experience. I’m seeing a lot of bad information in this thread and upon closer inspection it seems to be coming from the mods…. and they are trying to sell a book on the topic… weird

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Feb 24

I’ve grown in sand with both aquaponics and traditional hydroponic nutrients and the aquaponics is definitely more challenging because fish is a great source of nitrogen and a few micro nutrients but not much else. The first deficiency I encountered was calcium. This was easily fixed by adding egg shells into the fish tanks. (I also had shrimp in my tanks that were extremely efficient at breaking them down). With that, leafy greens and herbs grew great and tasted amazing. Tomatoes were the next challenge… first was a silica deficiency which kinda surprised me but that was rectified with a foliar spray. Potassium was the next problem… in the end I decided to dedicate the aquaponics to leafy greens and traditional nuts to veggies. As far as fish waste build up… never had an issue. However, anytime you keep sand perpetually moist it has the potential to grow molds and bacteria so it’s a good practice to sterilize the grow medium every few grows. This could be as simple as letting an outside grow bed dry up under sunlight, baking the sand in an oven if you’re running a small home grow or my least favorite method… flushing with a mild bleach solution.


Feb 24

Of course it will work. My first exposure to sandponics was a NASA experiment where they wanted to test sand as a grow medium due to its ability to wick moisture in zero gravity. They fed it standard hydro nuts (I wanna say GH). NASA went on to fund an experiment at the Tuskegee University where there successful grew sweet potatoes in sand. Again, I believe GH was the flavor of the day.


Feb 24

First off I don’t know who steve is. I see in this thread you blindly accuse any one who disagree’s with you of being steve. You seem paranoid. Secondly I read everything you provided in this thread and none of it explains the issues I presented. Maybe try answering people instead of trying to change the subject or blame random people your paranoid about.

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Once again i have no idea who your boogy man is but keep avoiding the basic questions I asked I guess.

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I hope you one day get help for your paranoia.

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My name is Kevin. You need help.

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I’m not steve. Leave me alone you have some major mental issues you need to work thru I’m the 3rd person you accused of being steve in 1 thread. Take a break from

I’m not steve. Leave me alone you have some major mental issues you need to work thru I’m the 3rd person you accused of being steve in 1 thread. Take a break from social media you clearly need it.

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Idk what you problem is but I’m not steve . You need many many years of therapy.

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February 25th, 2024

ok, we need to have a little talk here. First off, ‘sandponics’ is not aquaponics nor is it IAVS, it’s a goofy term we used back in the day to describe the use of sand as a grow medium in whatever system you like. I’ve been using sand for a while and I do actually test my medium and tanks. The sandponic subreddit had been completely taken over by profiteers who are giving out bad bro-science and calling it IAVS. I see these same characters are here as well. Understand they are a small (albeit loud) minority within the sandponic space and should not be the standard to judge us all.

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February 25th, 2024

You don’t threaten me, you annoy me… your attitude and blatant bro science is affecting how people view sandponics as a whole. Again, sandonics does not nor as it ever been synonymous with aquaponics. The only people claiming that is you and your lackeys. Anyone can make a website… doesn’t make anything you’re saying correct. I’ve never heard of your doctor friend… in fact it was pretty difficult to find anything about him on the internet that wasn’t from your site. I did finally come across a few research papers from the 80’s and early 90’s…. good for him. The university that published his papers is actually right up the road from me. I wonder if they know you’re marketing their research…

Response:

Dr. McMurtry is in the wikipedia page for Aquaponics as one of the pioneers of the Industry.

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Feb 25th

Dude, this entire post is full of you throwing a temper tantrum and you want to accuse me of whining? ???? I will not be blocking you… but I will continue to call out the bs when I see it.

Now, some of us have actual plants to tend to

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Feb 26

Jesus dude, are you still throwing your temper tantrum? You’ve been freaking out at me for days, writing long rants like a emo teen and then you have the nerve to call me a troll? Just move on.


February 27th, 2024

Cologetmomo accuses djdefenda of fraud –

“You are selling a $15 book about iAVS. Does that not make you a “serious investigator”? You have USDA mentioned all over your website and I’m sure it’s in your book. Having not done your due diligence in something so easy apparently it was my responsibility, makes you a fraud. You are committing fraud.”

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iAVs is a readily accessible resource available to the general public, not under the ownership or control of any individual or corporate entity. Dr. McMurtry was overseas in Africa providing educational guidance to local communities on the establishment of their own systems, when the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) supported a project led by Boone Mora and Tim Garret to create and manage their own iAVs.

Dr. McMurtry was only made aware of the USDA’s involvement after the fact, when it was revealed in an article written by Dennis McClintic in ‘The Furrows’ Magazine. The article can be accessed at https://garydonaldson.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Boone-Mora-Demo.pdf

The publication we are offering is a joint effort between our website administrators, compiling information and teachings about iAVs into a single document as an educational resource for individuals interested in constructing and operating their own systems. The original source of the USDA information originates from an independent source, and any inquiries or allegations of deceit should be directed to Dennis McClintic.

The allegation of fraud/deceit exemplifies our standpoint of refusing to engage in discourse with cologetmomo.

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February 27th, 2024

“People get them confused all the time. At r/iAVs we pride ourselves on the incredible ability of cat waste to create plant-available nutrients as well as the ability to transform any existing system powered by fish, to one powered by cats. The satire sub, r/Sandponics is a rather childish attempt to slander our good name.”

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Feb 27

 

I’d stay away from that sandponic sub… lots of trolls and bad info with that bunch.

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Feb 27

The problem is when anyone has actually grown with this setup and are honest about the results we are endlessly harassed.

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I think you miss took my comment… I ment the honest ones are harassed by the ones pushing the bro-science. Combining the biofilter and the grow beds into one unit doesn’t magically fix the inherent deficiencies of aquaponics. When I grew I had calcium, potassium and silica deficiencies.

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Feb 27

There are two positive outcomes of this thread:

  1. No evidence presented of iAVS being backed by the USDA. Almost a hundred comments and nothing comes close to addressing my post. This is case-closed on that claim. Link this post anytime a fraudulent claim is made that iAVS had a successful USDA commercial trial.

Look at their comment history. They’ve lost their minds over this post. This translates to less time spent spreading their gospel to other subs. They’ve probably typed 5000 words in unhinged responses and edits. I saved this thread as an edit to the top of the actual post.

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Cologetmomo replied on Feb 26:

You are selling a $15 book about iAVS. Does that not make you a “serious investigator”? You have USDA mentioned all over your website and I’m sure it’s in your book. Having not done your due diligence in something so easy apparently it was my responsibility, makes you a fraud. You are committing fraud.


Feb 27

I didn’t realize the real sandponics sub was r/iavs looks like they actually have real info on sandponics there.

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reply from cologetmomo

People get them confused all the time. At r/iAVs we pride ourselves on the incredible ability of cat waste to create plant-available nutrients as well as the ability to transform any existing system powered by fish, to one powered by cats. The satire sub, r/Sandponics is a rather childish attempt to slander our good name.

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Feb 27

Did you know theres a sandponics sub? r/iavs

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Feb 29

Your a deranged human being. I live in just outside San Francisco not Oklahoma. I am not steve stop harassing me I am more than happy to report you to reddit mods for harassment. From a quick google the person you accuse me of being lives in Thailand you clearly have some kind of mental illness as the person you accused me of being doesn’t even live where you accuse them of living. You need help man. I did comment on a transgender child being assaulted at school in Oklahoma, but that’s because my sister is transgender and it hits close to home. Maybe stop being such a horrible human being for 5 minutes and maybe people might listen to you instead of your insane blind accusations of some bogyman who seems to live rent free in your delusional head. No wonder no one takes you seriously in the aquaponics subreddit you have serious mental issues you need help with. If you harasse me again I will be reporting you.

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Mar 6

I’m almost afraid to say it…. I use sand and I’m not a jackass about it.

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The subreddit is under the control of people who make wild claims in order to sell a book on the topic. Anyone with experience or common sense who goes against them gets harassed. Indeed very cult like.

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It works just fine but you have to treat it like any other inert grow media… the comments about not needing to add supplemental nutrients is bs. I personally found calcium, silica and potassium deficiencies and if you actually read the university research paper they are always miss quoting, they found the same exact deficiencies. Not needing to worry about the pH is an exaggeration… Sand does good at buffering a pH variation but eventually it will affect the plants. Yield wasn’t any better either.

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March 7

Right? Why would I even waste my time reading 10 paragraphs of his verbal diarrhea when I have a copy of Dr. McMurtry research papers and have actually experience. I bet that dude has never even grown a plant in his life.

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reply from cologetmomo:

lol he did! He showed about 4-inches of tomato growth in a 2 month period. Truly remarkable.

He thinks we’re attacking him, yet he’s the one on the offensive constantly, and then links to specific users’ outside of the threads they’re in, which is literal harassment. It’s all projection with this guy. Anyone reading our thread would have no idea who we’re talking about unless they did a little digging. I like when he says it’s ad hominem, which means he knows at least two logical fallacies including his favorite: appeal to authority.

Every time I think there’s something wrong with him I remember, it’s his job to be obtuse and differentiate his systems from aquaponics, it’s how he makes his income.

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March 8

In the latest rewrite of his monolog he says I had deficiencies because my system wasn’t a true ‘iavs’ system dispite having no clue what my system looked like. But the best part is that Dr. Mcmurtry noted the same exact deficiencies. Homeboy even provided a spreadsheet with the specific amounts of each nutrient. It’s almost like that guy didn’t even read the research he’s plagiarizing.

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reply from cologetmomo:

And he says he’s not banned thus I have no credibility….I said his ban had expired smh. Reading comprehension not their greatest attribute.

When I get home I’m pulling an old college paper out I wrote about how unfeasible it is to formulate a fish feed specific to aquaponics. It might have been for a freshman entrepreneurial class, but it was more than 10 years ago. Might make a decent post here. In one breath he goes from iAVS (or sandponics, or wtf he wants to call it) needs no supplements, to now they advocate for a custom fish feed, which he states would be more expensive…

That’s just supplementing with extra steps!

On a positive note, I’ve seen numerous hostile interactions between him and his own subscribers. Plus, more people over here are tuned in to his bs and are pushing back. Eventually he’ll get bored (doubtful, he’s tenacious) or his group will finally implode and we can move on to the next snake oil salesman. Maybe one day we’ll see a full-sized commercial trial of a sand system like UVI. But I doubt it. Just imagine being on your hands and knees planting and harvesting 100-foot sand beds covered in fish shit. Yikes!

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reply from Apoc

Yeah, it out right says they used modified fish food in the original ncu research paper… like I said, dude is misquoting the shit out of that guy’s research.

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repy from cologetmomo

Oh wow. I guessed I skimmed over that part of the paper. Which one was it?

Between my posts on their ‘parking lot model’ and my other one about their claims on a USDA trial that never happened, we might need a pinned post on this sub that can be linked anytime they try spreading their misinformation/advertising. Instead of engaging with them, just reply with a link. I know the mods here are sick of dealing with reports they make and users they piss off.

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reply from Apoc – March 13

Most of the papers say the experiment used “modified purina fish chow” yet they never explained how it was modified. In a paper written in 1993 called something like “mineral nutrient concentration and uptake by tomatoes…” they claimed they did not add trace minerals or vitamins to the feed. I went as far as to check if purina sells anything called ‘modified fish chow’ and they don’t. If they don’t want to disclose the parameters of the experiment I don’t see how they expect to have their results duplicated/ peer reviewed. But I agree with you…everyone should stop engaging with them and just warn new members. Hell, just by discussing this topic we are feeding homeboy’s persecution complex.

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reply from cologetmomo

It’s unfeasible to create a fish food that can produce a hydroponic nutrient solution. Retaining and processing solid waste will get that feeding rate ratio down, but there’s always going to be plant requirements that necessitate supplementation.

He’s spamming his own subreddit with nonsensical responses he’s too insecure/cowardly to directly send to any of us. He knows that with basic algebra about 90% of what he’s pushing can be debunked. The remaining 10% is just the patience to deal with him and first week highschool chemistry. He can only post to his small, curated, and protected corner. Most subs have a rule against advertising, so I noticed he stopped linking to his iavs website. Which is quite funny.

I say, let him. If he keeps poisoning his own subreddit that’s his business. All we can do is confront him and his minions when they enter our space. His brain literally melted when I posted this to my satire sub. So if you’ve got some memes, or advice on how to run a system powered by cats (/s), feel free to add.

If we can collaborate on a few more posts to r/aquaponics, where we make something akin to my posts about the ‘parking lot model’ and the fake USDA trials, I think we’d have a nice collection of URLs that could then become the only responses they get when they comment here. I think it would be a big help to this community as well. I’m hesitant to believe mods here will ban them, but discussing their systems in a non-biased way that just looks at the evidence is a benefit to all the users here.

That’s my strategy, anyway.

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Yeah, it out right says they used modified fish food in the original ncu research paper… like I said, dude is misquoting the shit out of that guy’s research.

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March 10

Just a note on this, this is a completely false claim. Any aquaponics system or hydro system requires pH management and nutrient supplementation any one who claims other wise simply has no basic understanding of chemistry or how nutrients work in living aquatic systems. This poster gives ALOT of misleading and factual wrong information in this post.

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reply from our moderator”

ule 2: We’re trying to fix things here, and to be inspired to be part of the solution, not to have all of our hope destroyed. The rest of the internet is for that. Thank you for understanding.

Rule 5: You can educate one another on your particular views, but when conversations are clearly unproductive, we’re all old enough here to know to disengage. If you can’t explain your view without attacking another person, see rule #1

Rule 1: We aim to create an inclusive community but we also want to be a welcoming place for dialogue. This means that everyone may not always agree but please be respectful to one another, and, barring that, at least be civil. In the end, sometimes the best you can do is to politely agree to disagree. If something is so sacred/emotionally important to you that you won’t be able to politely agree to disagree, tell the other person that and politely disengage.

There is an interview by impotent ponic where James Rakocy (allegedly the godfather of aquaponics) says: “With the recommended ratio (1:2) no solids are removed from the system. With this system, nutrient supplementation may not be necessary”

So, given that, and the fact you disrespected and ignored theentire iAVs research group, as well as the rules of this sub, we have to agree to disagree and I politely disengage.

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March 11

Yes. Just dose some EM1 or LABs to take care of any waste build up and youl be fine. You dont have enough biomass of fish for it to be an issue. You also have more surface area in that media bed than multiple biofilters so its redundant and won’t do much for nitrification which is why people use biofilters in the first place.

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March 12

You don’t see more sand beds because its not food safe and can’t be certified in the US for food safety. This is why its only being used in oman, egypt, and india where they have no real food safety laws. The fish waste breaking down on the surface grows many different pathogens including ones that can make humans sick and because of the anaerobic nature of the sand beds it can get well established and breed much more than in traditional aquaponics systems. This is why you dont see them in any first world country that has real food safety regulations.

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reply from cologetmomo on March 12

Plus, you’ve got open water exposed to the elements, which is why we get anecdotal, daily water losses from the sandponics people of up to 30% per day, which is bonkers and completely antithetical to water conservation in a desert region. Could you imagine running a system with say 20,000 gallons that requires 6,000 gallons per day?

Also, here’s a thought experiment: this detritus layer they always mention is described as being just a thin layer with clean sand beneath. It’s mentioned over and over again. It’s their standard operating procedure. They post videos where they scrape the detritus and behold, beneath is clean sand. Clean sand is by no means and under no circumstances “soil” as they claim. It’s sand with a hydroponic solution flowing through.

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reply from bulky-union March 12

Thats nuts i get between 0.3% – 1% per day depending on setup and temperature. At 30% you might as well just do soil its less water.

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reply from cologetmomo

I’m with you, I’m at less than 1% per day, closer to 0.3% but this winter it has been effectively 0% with the anomalously wet winter we’ve had. He-who-shall-not-be-named has stated several times a 30% loss.

E: Nvm, he’s in this thread, it’s u/djdefenda.

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reply from bulky-union

Oh man his latest amazing inaccurate clearly false claim is that the UV from the sun sterilizes the fish waste in sand ponics ????. You can’t make this stuff up its so bad. The sun does not sterilize anything in the water as water blocks most UVc from the sun. Also many microbes can tolerate UV from the sun just fine. Also per his logic if the sun sterilizes the fish waste then its not being mineralized by microbes into fish food. They really need to just stop making up obviously false claims about sand ponics. Ot had all the same nutrient supplement requirements as any other form of aquaponics does only it is was less food safe for a whole host of reasons.

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reply from cologetmomo

Call every wastewater treatment plant in the world. We can just pump raw human waste right over sand and solve the world’s nutrient problems.

Here’s fun game, see if you can scroll over his posts with one swipe. I can’t, it slows about halfway through. He liked to post memes saying ‘he owned me’ for my obsession with sand. Yet, 30 seconds of my time causes him to write a research paper that quite frankly, would get a C- as a highschool freshman. It’s all projection and misinformation with these people.

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March 14

The users start a satire sub to ake fun of iAVs/Sandponics

source – https://www.reddit.com/r/iAVs/comments/1be1b8h/yeah_im_getting_in_on_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Posted by Apoc


March 14th

Apoc posts this image of a voluntary program as proof that iAVs is not approved by the USDA, Apoc left out the part that says the program is voluntary and not law.

Let’s put this to rest… iavs is NOT USDA approved.
byu/Apoc_Garden inaquaponics

Apoc says:

“The USDA has clear requirements for commercial aquaponic farms that the solids must be removed from the water before moving into any area that crops are grown. I’m sorry these sandponic debates take up so much space here but when the mods allow people to spread misinformation that can lead to serious illness it’s our responsibility to set the record stright. I challenge any ivas supporters to show me one single farm that has passed a USDA GAP (good agriculture practice) audit.”

Let’s put this to rest… iavs is NOT USDA approved.
byu/Apoc_Garden inaquaponics


March 15

Nobody is scared of sand… I am currently growing with it and have been for years. I just don’t create a biohazard by dumping rotten fish shit on top of it.

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March 15

“The West” is never going to catch on because we have food safety standards here. As you can clearly see in this post, solid wastes must be removed from the water before entering any area where crops are grown to be considered food safe by the USDA.

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March 15

Given all of the factual inaccurate and flat out false claims coming from the sandponics sub and its crazed mods who mostly post there to avoid being moderated or reply to things in this sub its time to just ban those posts in this sub. Its never helpful and always a drama fest due to most of the members complete inability to have a conversation about even the most basic of chemistry problems wnd the fact that there 2 entire subs dedicated to it r/iavs and r/scamponics now theres no reason for there spam here.

Iavs also isn’t remotely food safe the waste on the surface is an absolute breeding ground for pathogens like ecoli and salmonella often touching the lowest leaves of the plants making it completely non commercially viable. It also evaporated 30% of its volume per day way way more than traditional aquaponics and even soil at that point. It doesn’t magically generate nutrients not found in fish food as often falsely claimed and it absolutely needs pH management just the same as a standard aquaponics system. Nutrients and pH do not suddenly change just because you go from media to sand that’s simply not how chemistry works in the real world. Theres simply no reason for them to be in the aquaponics sub its not aquaponics its just a dead end technology thats only being used in places with no food safety testing and even then with poor results.

As you can clearly see in the USDA aquaponics food safety regulations iavs can not be certified in the US at all. By design it can not be.

Its time we stop misleading people into thinking this is a remotely viable option and just ban it entirely from this subreddit

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March 15

oh god hes out here trying to hijack yet another sub https://www.reddit.com/r/OrganicAquaponics/

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March 15

Part of the problem is most of the mods arent active. One logs in a few times a month it looks like 1 seems to use reddit but never this sub one is semi active and the last oen hasnt posted in 11 years or commented in almost 3 years. I think the sub needs some new mods to help with the moderation here as its clear they could use a little more help at this point given all of the sand spam and uninformed posts.

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March 17

So does this mean I cannot show or mention my aquaponics setup that uses s*** wicking pots? Or is this for the trolls that like to dump raw fish waste onto s*** beds?

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March 17

Yeah, only problem is that s*** ponics was a term appropriated by that mod…. just like he is currently claiming “organic aquaponic” is synonymous with his i**s bs. Are you going to ban the term organic next or just ban the guy starting all the problems?

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March 17

He is literally in his sub right now talking about how they are rebranding themselves as organic aquaponics. If you don’t ban him and his followers this is going to turn into a cat and mouse game that never ends. You’re the mod… moderate or promote someone who will.

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March 17

A mod from another sub was coming in here and pushing unsanitary methods and claiming it was usda approved and a bunch of other nonsense. Some of us pushed back and now we can’t say ‘the s word’ without invoking the wrath of the mods.

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March 17

We need a spot where people can freely discuss sand without getting harassed or banned which is clearly neither of the existing subs.

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March 17

He has a post about me as well. It’s that mods way of trying to intimidate/harass the people who will not go along with his bs.

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March 17

Hooray! Finally free of the sand spam and its crazy cultists.

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March 17

It got banned because its mainly pushed by one deranged memeber who makes more false claims than collin Powell did to invade iraq. Sandponics is badly misrepresented in terms of food safety and efficacy and can not be legally done at a commercial scale in the USA. The sandponics people have simce made 2 new spam sibs trying to hijack aquaponics people and more. It doesnt belong here and its simply not aquaponics.

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March 17

Its not food safe, it doesnt work, and the people who push it are more toxic than incels most of the time. Theres no reason to clog up this sub with a dead end technology.

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March 17

oh yea he is deranged and can’t take even the slightest bit of criticism what so ever.

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March 17

Good job team. We finally got rid of the sand spammers

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March 17

You were always reasonable and not toxic your a good person. You weren’t the issue. Djdipshit should have been banned years ago. Hes the sole source of the toxicity and false claims.

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reply from cologetmomo March 19

I picture him as Mom from Futurama and the others are her inept children.

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March 17

Moderators accuse me of doxxing;

The disagreement is fine. It’s every comment thread getting derailed into bickering, doxxing, and name calling that I’m tired of moderating. I’m sure you can find some of my comments in those threads saying I am a fan of scholarly discussion. What was happening wasn’t that unfortunately.

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but the user posts the exact same comments as they did years ago, furthermore, their user name and their comments reveal who they are:

As confirmed on March 29

working on it already. Il be releaseing an aquaponic specific AI next month. 🙂 Version 1 will cover nutrients and pets and basics version 2 will include alot more training and data sets from around the web.

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Let’s list some of the accounts that the user has trolled us from, accounts that are now banned from Reddit:

PotentPonics – https://www.reddit.com/user/PotentPonics/

Banned

AquaponicNutrients – https://www.reddit.com/user/AquaponicNutrients/

Banned

Potent_Ponics – https://www.reddit.com/user/Potent_Ponics/

Banned

Potent__Ponics – https://www.reddit.com/user/Potent__Ponics/

Banned

Growing With Fishes – https://www.reddit.com/user/GrowingWithFishes/

No Karma, No posts or comments since 2022

Open Nutrient Project – https://www.reddit.com/user/OpenNutrientProject/

No posts or comments since January 2023

DatSmokeShow – https://www.reddit.com/user/DatSmokeShow/

No Posts or Comments since December 2022

Bulky-Union-2762 – https://www.reddit.com/user/Bulky-Union-2762/

Currently trolling us until banned


March 17

No trolling at all. Simply want to see people succeed with there gardens in a food safe proven way which is what aquaponics is all about.

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March 17

It doesn’t work thats why there are 0 commercial farms in the US and EU its a dead end tech

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March 17

Didn’t upset anyone simply pointed out there false claims.

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March 17

Lol no. He writes the mythical person made up in his head my name isnt steve its kevin as iv stated before.

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March 18

They like to dump raw solid waste on to the grow beds. He has a recent picture on his own sub showing a tomato plant with its leaves drooping right into a literal pile of shit.

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March 18

If you figure it out, I’ll volunteer to be a moderator. I have a dual degree in Biology and Chemistry, have kept fresh and saltwater aquaria for about 45 years, and I’ve been in hydroponics and aquaponics for about 15 years.

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March 18

Agreed he should be banned entirely from reddit.

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Cologetmomo replied march 19

Most subs ban ads, so anytime he links or mentions a sub he runs that links to his website, which they all do, is something you can report. Eventually the number of people he pisses off will catch up to him.

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March 19

Yeah except their sub is a zoo.

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March 19

Right, the dude is already rallying his sub to rebrand themselves as “organic aquaponics”… so get ready to have “organic” on the no-no list as well.

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March 21

Sand does not work and that topic has since been banned from the sub. Sand also does not work for root crops so IDK why you suggested that when it doesn’t work for what they asked. Looks like your just trying to push the scamponics which is not allowed any longer in this sub.

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reply from icyindependent

Stop down-voting posts that mention “sand” … the mod made it clear that SAND as a medium is part of aquaponics.

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March 21

Sand does not work at all for hydroponics it also vastly increases your chances of root rot, ecoli , salmonella and other pathogens. Do not listen to the sand cultists. There misinformation has already been banned in r/aquaponics because its not USDA food safe nor does it work at all.

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byu/Andrew_Higginbottom from discussion
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oh man you have much to learn. Go over to r/aquaponics and read the pinned posts to learn what im talking about. These people spread misinformation about a method that is not remotely food safe hence why there banned from r/aquaponics now.

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Our mod replied on march 21:

You are only here on this 4 year old post because you troll me every single day and you have a personal agenda against me, moving forward, for the benefit of others whht does the USDA official website say?

Hydroponics is the technique of growing plants using a water-based nutrient solution rather than soil, and can include an aggregate substrate, or growing media, such as vermiculite, coconut coir, or perlite. Hydroponic production systems are used by small farmers, hobbyists, and commercial enterprises.

According to USDA: “Growing plants in water culture or sand culture without soil are procedures that have been used by physiologists studying plant nutrition and by other plant scientists for more than a century.” (Growing Crops Without Soil. Beltsville, MD: USDA, rev 1965.)

The above source is from the Official USDA website, you can check it at and see who is giving out “misinformation” and who isn’t. https://www.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-agricultural-production-systems/hydroponics#:~:text=According%20to%20USDA%20%3A%20%22Growing%20plants,%3A%20USDA%20%2C%20rev%201965.))

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scamponics does not meet USDA guidlines for aquaponics or food safety stop misleading people.

scamponics does not meet USDA guidlines for aquaponics or food safety stop misleading people.

Another user replied:

Stop telling other people to stop doing what it is that your doing.

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Im only pointing out that scam ponics does not work, is not food safe, and should now be spread as its pure bs that only makes people sick this is why there are 0 farms in the EU and US as its not food safe at all. This is why its banned completely from r/aquaponics for example because its all bullshit.

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March 21

Sand does not ever work for root crops. Not in scamponics nor in wicking beds or media beds. Your just here to spam stuff that doesnt work.

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Apoc replies;

I have plenty of root veggies growing in sand wicking pots. I’ve been using this method for years and it works just fine.

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Bulky replies:

Sand has no ability to allow oxygen and goes anerobic rotting most root crops. It also puts too much pressure on most crops making them deformed or smaller than they should be. Take your misinformation to the scam ponics sub as sand pits are no longer allowed in this sub.

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One of our mods says:

This is supposed to be a drama free sub leave me alone. Obviously sand holds air quite well that’s why root vegetables do so good please leave me alone. OP also grew a carrot in sand successfully in a cup. Are you going to insist it’s impossible with them too? No you’re not you’re just going to be drama with me stop with the bullying dude. A friend of mine committed suicide because of online bullying.

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Bulky replies:

Your violating the rules scamponics is no longer allowed and your mindless spamming of a non food safe method has been banned finally from this sub take it else where.

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March 21

theres an entire pinned post stating the scamponics crap is no longer allowed here. It does not work it is not food safe and it has nothing to do with aquaponics. So go ahead and unsub.

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Another user says:

Our mod says Stop with the drama dude. I’m not here for that I’m here to spread information. You’re here just to spread misinformation clearly. I’ll wait for a mod to tell me I can’t mention sand because I will quickly unsubscribe if they will let me know at their convenience. Have you added any value to this thread at all?

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Bulky replies:

Then stop with the scamponics posts its not allowed here any more.

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Another user replied:

If that’s what you took from that pinned post, then your reading comprehension needs some work. The mod literally says we’re allowed to discuss aquaponics with sand media. We just can’t say sandpXnics or iaXs because that summons the automod for deletion.

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March 22

Well once again hes lieing as seen in the actual USDA rules. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fzqgdvws1saoc1.jpeg

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March 24

Spoiler alert…
byu/Apoc_Garden iniAVs

 

March 25

 

March 27

The sand systems dont work and quickly get anerobic just like deep sand does in aquariums. Its also not food safe which is why you dont see any commercial farms in the US or EU.

Another user replied:

Hmm it looks fairly effective though. Are you saying that the anaerobic thing is why it’s relatively short berms of sand to stop the plants from drowning?

Also why is it “not food safe” like as long as the sand doesn’t have any heavy metals it should be fine right?

Just b/c there aren’t any commercial sand farms in the US and EU it doesn’t mean it’s not food safe. Maybe it’s b/c agriculture has such tight profit margins and the benefits from sand as a grow medium are arguably not worth the risk of investing heavily in a relatively immature growing method when something like NFT hydro is cheaper and well tested.

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Bulky replied

There are not any commercial sand pit farms because its not food safe according to all food safety laws for agriculture. Theres a great thread on this in r/aquaponics which is why its banned there entirely because unlike dwc, media beds and other proven methods that are food safe sand pit systems allow fish waste to rot on the surface breeding food born pathogens much easier than media beds with no water to plant exposure of the leaf tissue it also blocks the light from reaching the aquatic layer which is a big part of the problem. The algae also robs plants of valuable minerals like phosphorus. In dwc systms like the proven UVI model you have a food safe foam between the water rand the crops as well. They also because of there anerobic nature have a much much higher risk of food born pathogens compared to aerobic traditional aquaponic systems. If you have ever grown aquatic plants in sand you have seen first hand why its a bad medium to grow in. Its the same for terrestrial plants as well.

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March 27

The sand systems are not remotely food safe certifyable in the EU. Google EUGMP theres no way in a million years that sandpits would ever qualify. Its not even legal in the us by USDA standards. This is why you dont see them in the EU or US.

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March 27

Im general you want the tank inflow to swirl the water you can do this with a few elbows angled appropriately for your inflow. Then you want your outflow to be in the center of the tank this will gather almost all of the easte to be sucked out. Drill a hole at with water level being centered on the hole and install your bulkhead. Then cut ypur next length of pipe to the center od the tank with a tee on the end and run the holes that go straight thru ip and down and the middle part of the tee to your bulkhead connecting pipe then run another piece of pipe to the bottom of the center of the tank with a screen or other fish blocking cover and it will suck up all of your waste as the water passes thru the tank.

To get rid of the rest LABs from knf dosed at a 1:1000 ration will eliminate the rest. In an ibc you can go as high as half a gallon for one dose if its dirty.

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April 1

stick with a traditional aquaponics system. They actually work well unlike sand systems. Thats why they are banned in r/aquaponics they are not food safe nor do they produce well which is why there are no commercial facilities in the EU or US. Traditional aquaponics has many commercial systems in even highly regulated countries as far as food safety goes.

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April 4

Simple answer is that hydroponic fertilizer has everything that your plants need to grow and soil fertilizers are amendments which lacks essential micro nutrients.

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April 7

be mindful that sand ponics does not work and is not food safe which is why its been banned from r/aquaponics . Stick with what works if you want to get into aquaponics theres an awesome community happy to help you with actual aquaponics.

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April 7

Be mindful that sand ponics does not work and is not food safe which is why its been banned from r/aquaponics . Stick with what works if you want to get into aquaponics theres an awesome community happy to help you with actual aquaponics.

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April 10

Be mindful that sand ponics does not work and is not food safe which is why its been banned from r/aquaponics . Stick with what works if you want to get into aquaponics theres an awesome community happy to help you with actual aquaponics.

Cannabis needs nutrients you want to use a dual root zone method to get the best results with aquaponics.

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April 10

Be mindful that sand ponics does not work and is not food safe which is why its been banned from r/aquaponics . Stick with what works if you want to get into aquaponics theres an awesome community happy to help you with actual aquaponics.

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hes lying hes the bully lol. Dude is trying to dox multiple users while running around posting harassements websites and attempting to brigade his sub to harasse multiple users hes the only one harassing any one dont let him fool you thats why both him and sand ponics have been banned from r/aquaponics hes now resorting to harassing people on his alt account

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April 10

No aquaponics when done properly is very food safe. To date there has never been a single recall of any commercial aquaponics produce.

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April 10

Glad you linked directly to your brigading campagin and bad attempt at doxing multiple users while harassing them and posting a harassment website thats 3 TOS violations in a post you yourself admit to making enjoy your ban moron.

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byu/Bulky-Union-2762 from discussion
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Apparently not if you can post on it Again thanks for admiting to multiple TOS violations yet again including but not limited to Brigading an entire sub reddit to mass report users, harassing users, attempting to dox users and ban evasion. Thanks once again for admiting to your bullshit your getting ban and youl only have yourself to blame. Youl be banned from reddit soon enough just like you were banned from r/aquaponics

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byu/Bulky-Union-2762 from discussion
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One of our mods replied:

Let’s put aside the drama and focus ONLY on the facts/truth

Here is my latest comment in the AP sub that I am NOT banned from – https://www.reddit.com/r/aquaponics/comments/1bzuvbf/comment/kytx82u/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

So if you lie about me being banned from the AP sub how can we trust anything else you say? Once again, this proves that you are a bully, targetting and harassing me, and not al all anything to do with sand, sandponics or aquaponics.

Why won’t you leave me alone? Can you please answer that? I asked nicely, I don’t bother you if not provoked, in fact, you mean nothing to me, you wouldn’t exist if you didn’t harass me so what is it you want from me?

You can not harass people for 5+ years and then complain when the victims stand up to you…..even the mods in the AP sub know about you, we have ALL of the screenshots, we have years of history of you hassling us, what have you got?

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Bulky replied:

your absolutely banned on your main account djdefenda thats also a fact. posting on an alt account that your banned on your main is against the rules.your makomg this easy just like you did in r/aquaponics

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April 10

hes lying hes the bully lol. Dude is trying to dox multiple users while running around posting harassements websites and attempting to brigade his sub to harasse multiple users hes the only one harassing any one dont let him fool you thats why both him and sand ponics have been banned from r/aquaponics hes now resorting to harassing people on his alt account

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byu/Creative_soja from discussion
inworldnews

rotfl no one bullied wn elderly man quit making ip shit rotfl. the mods removed your pathetic post i see and youve now made it super easy to get rid of you so thanks for all your idiotic posts you gave me more than enough evidence to be rid pf you for good ty

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byu/Bulky-Union-2762 from discussion
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unlike your subreddit you cant hide your reports here thanks for making it easy just like you did in all the other subs. enjoy your ban ???? i know i will. attempting to dox and harass in miltiple subs lol your so gone

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byu/Bulky-Union-2762 from discussion
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see when you have a coward like this guy who only posts on his sub reporting it is pointless and this is a communication channel with reddit to fix that. at least hes making it amazing easy now.

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byu/Bulky-Union-2762 from discussion
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The mods reply:

The proper avenue to speak with admin on this subreddit about things like this is through modmail. Posts like this are prohibited by the rules here, and frankly, the content policy.

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April 10

It’s just sad to watch
byu/Apoc_Garden iniAVs

 

April 13

Be mindful that sand ponics does not work and is not food safe which is why its been banned from  . Stick with what works if you want to get into aquaponics theres an awesome community happy to help you with actual aquaponics.

Cannabis needs nutrients you want to use a dual root zone method to get the best results with aquaponics.

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April 13

Be mindful that sand ponics which has hijacked r/organichydroponics does not work and is not food safe which is why its been banned from  . Stick with what works if you want to get into aquaponics theres an awesome community happy to help you with actual aquaponics. Note its just another spam sub or the sandponics sub it was made in a tempur tantrum after they were banned from r/aquaponics for spamming trolling and misleading people about food safety.

Cannabis needs nutrients you want to use a dual root zone method to get the best results with aquaponics.

 

April 14th

When a person lashes out so viscerally at anyone who refuses to validate their delusions its a clear sign of a mental disorder. When you look at this person’s cult like behavior of manipulating people, lying for personal gain, attempting to control others with threats and aggression… it’s all clear signs of a sociopath. Honestly this page is just fueling his disorder. You can’t change a sociopath…they have an inability to accept that they are the problem and just become more enraged, violent, and manipulative. They’ll find new targets eventually or go Jim Jones themselves…

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April 16th

When our moderator offers to help someone the troll pops up only to slander and resort to ad hominem.

There’s a history with the user mentioning Mark McMurtry and it involves a method of growing plants that is largely outdated with scientific backing that is dubious at best. If you’re writing a research paper, following that path will guarantee a bad grade.”

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byu/sleeeepin from discussion
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We reported the comments to the mods with this message:

This is part of a pattern of site following and harassment by the user, the comments are not relevant to the post and are more of a personal attack on the user and does not contribute to the discussion. It is off topic and breaks rule number 1 as it is a personal attack against another redditor. Should you require a list of urls of similar comments that show a repeat history of site following and harassment please let me know.

If no action is taken we will escalate it further.